This upcoming election is going to be one of the closest elections in history, or, at least the primary.
The Nominees:
Democrats:
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Hillary Clinton, U.S. Senator from New York and Former First Lady
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Barack Obama , U.S. Senator from Illinois
The Republicans:
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Mike Huckabee, Former Governor of Arkansas.
- John McCain, U.S. Senator from Arizona
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Ron Paul, U.S. Representative from Texas.
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Mitt Romney, Former Governor of Massachusetts
I have only posted the big names, and ones that I like. Personally, I like Ron Paul, because he 
wants to get rid of the Federal Reserve, which is privately owned, and the I.R.S. He is also pro-homeschooling, and pro-life. My second choice is Mike Huckabee, for the reason that he has good morals. Clinton and all the others have awful morals, as do the of the Republicans. As a Roman Catholic, and to any other Roman Catholic, you are obliged to vote for a pro-life candidate, and it is a mortal sin if you vote for a pro-choice one.
[...] unknown wrote an interesting post today onHere’s a quick excerptThis upcoming election is going to be one of the closest elections in history, or, at least the primary. The Nominees: Democrats: Hillary Clinton, U.S. Senator from New York and Former First Lady John Edwards, Former U.S. Senator from North Carolina and 2004 Democratic Vice Presidential candidate Barack Obama , U.S. Senator from Illinois The Republicans: Rudy Giuliani, Former Mayor of New York City Mike Huckabee, Former Governor of Arkansas Duncan Hunter, U.S. Representative from California John McCain, U.S. Senator from Arizona Ron Paul, U.S. Representative from Texas Mitt Romney, Former Governor of Massachusetts Fred Thompson, Former U.S. Senator from Tennessee I have only posted the big names, and ones that I like. Personally, I like Ron Paul, because he wants to get rid of the Federal Reserve, which is privately owned, and the I.R.S. He is also pro-homeschooling, and pro-life. My second choice is Mike Huckabee, for the reason that he has good morals. Clinton and all the others have awful […] [...]
I don’t think we can trust any candidates. I cast my vote for my fencing nemesis!
Ron Paul, or Mike Huckabee. Preferably, Ron Paul…
I get to vote this year. !YAY!… don’t worry i wont vote for Jack Sparrow.
*laughs* nice one Marc!
btw great pic of Clinton lol
Thanks! I did a Google image search for Hillary Clinton looking insane!
Wow… It’s a mortal sin if I vote for a pro-choice candidate… Forget about anything else they have to say. That doesn’t matter anyway. Forget about electing an intelligent and competent leader who would gracefully end a war that’s cost thousands of lives. Forget about saving our planet from a possibly unstoppable warming trend. Because if I happen to not agree with you and I vote for the best candidate, who may not want to ban abortions, that means I’m going straight to Beelzebub.
Look, I don’t agree with abortion either. I think it’s wrong. But I, as a man, just don’t like the idea of telling a woman what she can or can’t do with her own body. For every complicated question there is a very simple answer. And it’s wrong. Learn to respect other people’s opinions. That kind of fundamentalism would tear our country apart.
What’s more important? The life of 50 Million people, or a few thousand? And if you repent, you won’t go to hell, unless you want to.
http://www.survivors.la/
And by the way, a woman can do whatever they want with their own body, but not with their babies.
There’s nothing wrong with having very strong feelings about an issue. Acting on those feelings and making your voice heard is what any good person would do. And I don’t necessarily disagree with you here.
But everyone’s going to have to form their own opinions. I must honor them. All I would ask is that you do the same. Threatening an eternity of hellfire for those who disagree is not respectful.
Their is a difference between freedom and license. Freedom is the ability to do the right thing. License is the ability to do whatever you want. And I’m not threatening, per se. If you take it as a threat, that’s not my fault. Ron Paul is a very good choice on everything! When you find a candidate who stands up truly, for the right thing, then he will be right, in everything. Not only that, I never threatened that you would go to Hell if you commited a mortal sin. You obviously know that, if you commit a mortal sin, you will go to Hell. That being, if you don’t repent. In the Civil War, who would you side with? The Union, or the Confederacy? Why? At the time, what was more important? States rights, or Slavery? What is more important? Sacrificing for the life of another, or being selfish, refusing to sacrifice, and taking the life of another? A true friend is one that sacrifices for you. What would your life be like if you had no friend to make sacrifices for you? Not much different, correct? Now, if your mother had decided to be selfish, and not sacrifice for you, where would you be now? And is killing a baby, even at all respectful to God, not to mention the baby? I understand what you are saying, but I never said that you would go to Hell if you voted for a pro-choice candidate, and unless it is a misunderstanding, not very respectful at all. Do you believe in a creator? And a true man is one who chooses a side, the right side, and sticks with it. One of the main reasons that this country is where it is, is do to the fact of the term, “Politicaly Correct.” We are too afraid to offend someone, and we have far too many lukewarm people. Jesus himself said, “The lukewarm, I vomit out of my mouth.” I can’t think of anything else to say now, so think about it.
Again, you’re doing the right thing by standing up for what you believe in.
But from a practical standpoint, telling people that they’re obliged to vote pro-life or it’s a mortal sin isn’t going to get you anywhere. People in today’s world don’t respond well to fire and brimstone.
If you want to organize people and bring them to support your cause, there are many effective ways of going about it.
You would do much better to appeal to their hearts and minds. Show them what you think and let them make their own decisions.
Strayer,
Interesting point of view; however, I strongly disagree with your statement: “But I, as a man, just don’t like the idea of telling a woman what she can or can’t do with her own body.”
It seems to me that you have fallen prey to the feminization of masculine America. “As a man,” your responsibility would be to see to it that a woman does the right thing and does not kill her own child. We cannot do an evil so that good may come of it. “As a man,” our responsibility is to see to it that women are not taken advantage of by other men. Remember, when a woman has an abortion, it does not make her unpregnant, it makes her the mother of a dead baby. No good will ever come from that, no matter how convenient to the parties involved. Eventually, the piper must be paid, and you can pay him now, or pay him later.
“As a man,” it would seem to me that we should come to the aid of a nation that kills it’s own children instead of nurturing them. Abortion just reinforces an attitude that children are not a gift from God, but a burden not worth sacrificing for. And what a slippery slope that is… What other burdens can we dispose of? Maybe the elderly, or the less fortunate, or the mentally ill??
Let us think rationally as men, and raise society up to a level that we can all be proud of. One that is willing to sacrifice for the greater good, not give in to every whim that would lead to convenience. And paraphrasing President Kennedy: Let’s choose to do it that way not because it is easy, but because it is hard.
We are men, let’s act that way and not be ashamed of it.
Fred
I’ll say this one more time. It makes me really happy to know that there are people out there who are willing to stand up for their views. And I agree with a lot of what you’re saying. But I’m not really here to debate the abortion issue. Mentioning my own views was probably a mistake.
What really bothered me about what the admin. said was that voting for a presidential candidate who wouldn’t ban abortion is a mortal sin against God. I’m a Catholic and I don’t like the idea of someone using my own religion to tell me what I’m obliged to do or not do.
This is not a good way to argue a point. It doesn’t show respect to those who disagree and it’s not going to earn him/her any supporters anyway.
Fred, I enjoyed reading your response. You made some very good points. Thank you for your interest.
Strayer,
Thanks for the reply. You make some good points about being prudent in arguing a point. It sometimes is not prudent to approach an argument in the way that it is being done here. But this is a Catholic blog, so truly Catholic viewpoints seem to me to be appropriate.
I think that the admin. was only repeating a teaching of the Catholic Church. The Church will never tell us who to vote for, but it is their job to tell us what to vote or not vote for.
And the Church has said that voting for a candidate who favors abortion rights (if there are other better choices) could put your soul in danger.
Lacking any pro-life candidate, you are free to vote in accord with a well formed conscience, and choose the lesser of two evils. I don’t want to debate the abortion issue either. It could go on forever. I’m more inclined to debate this issue as one of Catholic fidelity. As Catholics, we must always choose to do that which is right. We are not free to disagree with the teachings of the Church, which is guided by the Holy Spirit (Who, by the way, is never wrong). The alternative would be heresy. I know it can sound like we are robots, but true freedom comes only from God, and the true Church speaks for Him.
I wouldn’t come on this strongly with just anyone, that wouldn’t be prudent. And I wouldn’t force people at gunpoint either, but laws force me to do things all the time.
So I will vote first and foremost for a pro-life candidate. Then I will consider the other issues, not ignore them. The current pres. says he is pro-life, but he has a flawed conscience This is primarily a spiritual battle, and right now evil is winning. I think that the culture of death has a lot to do with that.
By the way, I’m against this war too. I just believe that until we stop killing our babies, nothing else will really get better.
I’m getting tired and my thoughts are rambling. Until we chat again…
Yabba Dabba Doo
Fred
Strayer,
Those are some very good points, and I see where you are coming from now. However, what is religion for, if it is not to guide, in everything, from buying a new car, to voting for a pro-life candidate. Though many petty things may seem important in this life, in the next life, they will not matter. What matters now, is our souls, and the souls of others. As a Catholic, you must believe in the afterlife. Paraphrasing Jesus, he said, not to stock up on earthly things, that will fade over time, but on heavenly things, that will last us forever. That being said, what is more important? God first, then country. The best thing to do, is to choose all the pro-life candidates, and then look over all of their other issues. After that, choose the one with the best stand on evrything, making sure that he is pro-life. The church doesn’t tell you who to vote for, they tell you what issues to vote for.
~Signa Veritae
All,
It is not a mortal sin to vote for someone who is pro-choice, it is a mortal sin to vote for him if the reason you are voting for him is because he is pro-choice.
In response to Joe, that is only the case if the voter is unconscious of the candidate’s pro-choice stance. And NO Catholic should be ignorant of a candidate’s stance on such an important issue.
Joe,
You are wrong. The only way it’s not a mortal sin to vote for a pro-choice candidate, is if A. You don’t know he’s pro-choice, (but you are expected to know.) or B. If there is only pro-choice candidates out there. In which case, do not vote at all, or vote for the lesser of two evils.
~Signa Veritae